tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795176.post6162633139186157603..comments2023-09-22T13:07:59.106-05:00Comments on Jim's Thoughts: Reactinge to a "win"JimBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795176.post-24799708320577670862009-10-08T09:54:07.737-05:002009-10-08T09:54:07.737-05:00John,
I will let him defend himself if he chooses...John,<br /><br />I will let him defend himself if he chooses. I will however note that compared to the amazing crap one read on SFiF when for instance the Virginia decision came down it is pretty restrained.<br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795176.post-40997191142252040912009-10-08T00:32:48.240-05:002009-10-08T00:32:48.240-05:00From Mark Harris comments "(With a certain gl...From Mark Harris comments "(With a certain glee, I must confess.)" Pity.John Sandemanhttp://eternity.biznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795176.post-80038321510792994802009-10-07T14:32:52.560-05:002009-10-07T14:32:52.560-05:00Its a shame what has happened here...Unbelievable....Its a shame what has happened here...Unbelievable.<br /><br />I think your mother was a wise woman.Christalhttp://www.christalsworld.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795176.post-88176219182774087692009-10-07T14:14:12.488-05:002009-10-07T14:14:12.488-05:00Ron,
Most Scout troops I know about hold the chec...Ron,<br /><br />Most Scout troops I know about hold the checkbook and sign the checks. The money belongs to the chartering organization anyway. There is no chain of ownership established by who signs checks.<br /><br />The courts have held how the have and consistently except for a couple in the South that will be overturned, TEC has won. The truth is I fear, that the only reason for on going legislation is the Chapman strategy and a desire to harm.<br /><br />They can do that, no one can deny a US Citizen access to the courts. But when they lose it is a bit much to worry about gloating. One the rare and reversible occasions when the schism minded have won, the gloating posts never end.<br /><br />That leads us back not indirectly to my mom's observation. The topic of the post is not really the right and wrong of the title arguments, albeit I admit I touched on them. It is the question of 'gloating' and motivation that matters here. The courts will do whatever they do.<br /><br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795176.post-70109444505857954332009-10-07T13:23:49.213-05:002009-10-07T13:23:49.213-05:00I have no problem with the concept that if an enti...I have no problem with the concept that if an entire diocese leaves TEC, diocesean property should remain with TEC. What I DO have a problem with is the rather novel concept that parish property (as opposed to the Diocesean HQ, youth camps, etc.) belongs to the diocese rather than the parish. That idea was never part of TEC polity until the 1970's, when people were leaving due to female ordination and General Convention got talked into stealing parish properties. Even then it was more important to keep properties than people.<br /><br />You look through the history of TEC and you'll see that until then there was little concept that the parish properties belonged to anyone except the congregations, with title held by the vestries. Our present polity still reflects this. Only the vestry can sign checks, not the parish priest, a structure that's echoed at the Diocesean level IIRC. And when we vote on our annual budgets, we argue about how much money we'll send the Diocese. Why discuss it if it's all theirs in the first place? Nobody writes a check to the Diocese - they write it to St. Helena's or All Saints or whatever your parish is.<br /><br />As far as I'm concerned, TEC is committing theft when they use the courts to take parish properties. The fact that they get away with it is shameful. Note that they initiate the legal proceedings, too. Weren't we told not to use the courts to resolve issues between Christians?RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17346484258194484053noreply@blogger.com