10 August 2009

Covenants

It has occurred to me that we have seen the covenant idea before. Henry VIII tried it. When Thomas Moore would not sign on, he was also placed on another track. Henry succeeded in making a martyr and saint, but not in ending controversy. Dr. Williams should perhaps consider that record. Henry's 'legacy' was rather tarnished.

8 comments:

Brad said...
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Jim said...

Brad,

This comment does not make sense in the context of this rather short post. Did it get lost somewhere?

Anonymous said...

The archbishop is considering the historical record, but he is using the Holy See as his model. If only he had little of the control the Primate of Rome commands over his Church his is very sure he could solve our current issue's. -Drew

Jim said...

Drew,

Good point. And of course that works so well in Rome that the incumbent has told the curia he will leave them a, 'smaller but more compliant' church. I suppose that is also precisely where Pope Rowan would take us.

FWIW
jimB

Brad said...

Your church is getting smaller anyway-it's gone from 3.3 to 2.15 in 35 years. With its median age over 53 years and with fewer than 2 children per couple, it's hard to see much of a future for it no matter who's in charge.

Jim said...

Brad,

I think you need to look at some stats. The Southern Baptists have been getting smaller too -- no liberals they. So too the LCMS Lutherans.

Guess what, we are in an increasingly secular world.

Our job, we who care about the church and it is not, 'mine' is not to stop thinking -- the logical result of the covenant. It is to continue thinking. Which is why this matters to me.

FWIW
jimB

Brad said...

This is so; they began shrinking about five years ago.
The Wisconsin Synod Lutherans are also losing membership, even more conservative than Missouri.
The fastest growing segment of US religious life? "None of the Above": up to nearly 16% of the population. About one fourth of those 18-30 say they're atheist/agnostic/not interested.
One third of those with college degrees in that group are non-members/non-believers.

Jim said...

Brad,

One thing those numbers suggest is that we should all get over trying to take each other's people and get on bringing the none-of-the-above into communities that are capable of being home to them.

FWIW
jimB

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